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Post by Boony on Nov 3, 2009 10:37:50 GMT
Take your FM10 musings here, leaving the other thread clear for more general chat about games etc.
I don't have the game, and my PC probably won't run it. And I don't have the time. Some of the rest of you are lucky buggers, though, and I like reading about the 3D dots...
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Post by coffers on Nov 3, 2009 11:48:05 GMT
I'm working from home so got 2 more games pplayed today, still takes around an hour per game. :moop: The game is on the home laptop I'm working on the works one.
Home to Doncaster ended 0-0 (boro won 2-0 in real life) The Fizzy Pop Cup saw us beat Nottingham Forest 1-0 at home we lost 2-1 away in real life. I seem to be sort of shadowing Southgate's rise to failure. :checkit:
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Post by Sonic on Nov 3, 2009 14:58:23 GMT
Are you sacked yet Coffers?
In other news: I hates you all, those who are playing this game. End transmission.
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Post by coffers on Nov 3, 2009 17:07:29 GMT
No but the comparison continues, we lost 1-0 away to Bristol City (rela Life we lost 2-1), then we beat Ipswich 3-0 at home (won 3-1 in rela life). Next up away to Shefiled Wednesday.
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Post by coffers on Nov 3, 2009 21:37:48 GMT
1-1 away to Sheffield Wednesday with Tony McMahon sent off and I'm doing worse than Southgate (Real life was 3-1 to Boro) Now come the games where in real life Boro fell apart, next West Brom at home who are flying high (we lost that one 5-0).
That Said Southgate had sold off HUth by this point, I haven't had him, Downing or Tuncay all season.
Unlike real life the fans seem to like Aliadiere, who just like real life is a bloody useless lightweight.
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Post by Mr Bismarck's Electric Donkey on Nov 4, 2009 2:19:41 GMT
I stole Moo's idea. I'm not proud about it, but there you go.
I've started a new game with all the North and South American leagues switched on. I'm playing as Tigres do Brasil, (which sounds like a big cat porn movie), who have the board expectation for the season of not being embarrassed too often, in the Brazilian third division. Regional.
Sounds about as low as you can go.
We also have an horrendous home kit of yellow top and green socks - like a Norwich kit bought from Woolworths. Also, our team badge looks like it was put together by an eight year old on MS Paint.
We drew 0-0 against our own reserves, then won our first two friendlies 1-0 thanks to goals after the 90th minute. Our "best" forward is fooking awful and we have to play a stupid 4-2-2-2 formation, because we have zero wide midfielders.
We also have seven useful looking players on loan to other teams until the end of the season on loans I can't cancel. [broken smilie]
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Post by Sonic on Nov 4, 2009 2:26:11 GMT
I'm betting you wish you'd left the idea with Moo now eh Stu I'll watch Tigress with interest. Oh, she's not a Pussycat doll? Well that's a relief.
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Post by coffers on Nov 4, 2009 9:30:47 GMT
Sounds interesting Stu, we'll await the updates with baited breath or something.
As for my Boro Demo, I think I've stumbled on the perfect home tatctic, I'd been playing a pretty basic 4-4-2 up to thios point and Adam Johnson and Jakob Poulson had been teh wide midfielders and were't performing up to their capabilities. For The West Brom game I moved them up a notch on the positions screen, switched to attacking from the off and we were 2-0 up by the 20th minute, 4 minutes later after ramping back teh attack a little it was 2-1. Back to attacking with pushed up wingers and we won a penalty to make it 3-1 (Arca), a late second half goal sealed a great win, this in real life was the start of Southgate's Spiral towards his UB40.
Next up was the bonus game home to Manchester City in the Fizzy Pop Cup, keeping the same style and formation we raced into a 2-0 lead by the 24th minute, Tevez pulled one back on 34 and we took a 2-1 lead into the break. City equalised 2 minutes into the 2nd half and took the lead 5 minutes later. They were ripping us a new one, so as damage limitation I pulled players back and tried to play counter, it disn't work, City went 4-2 up on the hour. With nothing to lose I went pretty much gung Ho, back to the starting tactics with a shout of get the ball forward fast and get stuck in. It worked, Poulson made it 4-3 from teh penalty spot on 75 and with 5 minutes left Shawky hit a belter from the edge of the area to equalise with 10 minutes left. Both sides had chances to win it but the game went to extra time. We had a blatant penalty appeal turned down 5 minutes into the second half of extra time, but the game went to penalties. City missed 2 of their five we hit 4 out of 4 and progressed to the 4th round. Home gates are generally around the 32000 mark which is good.
Pogotits was haulded off after Man City's 3rd goal, he had a rating of 4.9.
Now all I have to do is sort out a tactic that works away from home. Coventry Away next.
We are 4th in the table 3 points behind 1st placed QPR and 2 points behind Bristol City and Preston. West Brom are 6th, Newcastle are 10th, Ipswich are hovering around 16th.
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Post by Fuzzy on Nov 5, 2009 9:27:21 GMT
Snoic: Don't you have the game? I saw your thread in the other forum talking about defending and stuff.
Which speaking of, I overachieved with my Gloucester team last season, finishing top of the BSN and is now paying the price in BSP. No money to sign anyone, no one decent willing to come on loan, I managed to convince them to come and visit the cathedral used for the Harry Potter films but the jig was up once I asked them to run around the cones for "entertainment purposes". I suppose when one of the highest building around town is a hospital, there is only so much attraction to be have.
Missed out a couple of massive players (those good enough to be League Two players) on free, they opting to sign for better clubs with better wages and my defence is leaking. Anyone have any idea why the D R/L seems so poor regardless of how we use them? They seem out of position everytime, rarely go in to tackles, fails to close down wingers, allows crosses to be whipped in..
Otherwise, goal scoring have not been a problem with my 3 ATT with 2 AM supporting. And that is the only thing pulling me through, 14 goals for;10 against tells the story. Tried 2 DM's and it did not work either, as the problem continues to be the crosses or those dodgy long punts that my two CB fail to pick up, but I'd rather put that down to them being shite.
So, in essense, my defence sucks, halp.
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Post by Boony on Nov 5, 2009 9:53:47 GMT
Fullbacks are shit? It really is back in CM0102 mode...
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Post by Fuzzy on Nov 5, 2009 9:57:29 GMT
I honestly have no idea for now as I did not play FM09. Could be due to players in that level are just crap or it could be a match engine thing.
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Post by hornet on Nov 5, 2009 11:27:28 GMT
I had a bit of a fiddle with the demo last night. Pretty, but confusing. I'm not sure I've got it in me any more to invest the necessary hours slogging my way up the north face of the learning curve. Although it was nice seeing my linking forward pulling a ball back into space for a nice little arrive by Scott Severin at MC.
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Post by coffers on Nov 5, 2009 11:59:33 GMT
I honestly have no idea for now as I did not play FM09. Could be due to players in that level are just crap or it could be a match engine thing. It's probably because they are crap, that said Justin Hoyte and Andrew taylor are performing very well for me now that I have their individual stregnths and weaknesses sorted out with teh Individual player sliders. Taylor gets skinned every now and then but that's probably down to his pasce and I sort of remedied that by making him more defensive than attacking. Did you use the advanced button on team and individual tactics as this allows you to set all sorts of options, including deep or high defensive line, tempo, width etc.
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Post by coffers on Nov 5, 2009 13:16:05 GMT
I played the Coventry game last night and won 2-1, Aliadiere scoring both our goals in a 2 minutes spell after half time. Coventry led 1-0 at the break, so we did a little better than Southgate did there. However the win means we stay in 4th place as Bristol and Preston both won and QPR drew, so we are 2 points away from top spot.
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Post by Mr Bismarck's Electric Donkey on Nov 5, 2009 14:46:56 GMT
If your fullbacks aren't doing anything it's because they are rubbish. At Tigres my fullbacks are my best players and I have one good centre half, but the other one is garbage and he constantly gets out of position on the 3d and make his teammate look like a pantfish as a result.
The quick-tactic options are awesome, but when playing with garbage players you need to dabble into "Advanced" a fraction. I've learned to go into advanced and put my dodgy DC a click lower on mentality than the good one, so that he gets caught in the hole less and I play the fullback on his side more defensively.
I played two more pre-season games last night. A very sloppy 2-1 defeat to some bunch of cack thanks to aforementioned dodgy defender and then a 0-0 with some top division reserve side - essentially Arsenal reserves against a Netto Baked Beans Department XI - the scoreless draw against this lot pleased the fans and the board more than any of the wins. [broken smilie]
Now I've reached the season all of my yoofs have gone "Ine" which is bad as it takes away my only MR in the squad forcing me back into the 4-2-2-2. Fortunately, the quality at fullbacks means I can afford to give them a bit of license to go forward, but I'm lacking genuine creativity in the MC area and my forwards are essentially toothless.
I play the FC as a Trequartista so he'll go find gaps to stand in, with the other forward as a Deep Lying - Attack so the opposition usually ends up with two DCs marking no one. Then I push one of the MCs onto Advanced Playmaker - Attack to try to form a floating triangle up front. It's leading to a lot of possession up front, but we only scored four goals in five pre-season games for a reason.
I need my loan players back. :moop:
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Post by coffers on Nov 5, 2009 21:31:55 GMT
In real life Boro lost 1-0 at home against Leicester, I guided them to a 3-0 win, a goal from Shawky and 2 from Vokes in the first half put us out of reach of the midlanders. It le, could have been more had it not been for their keeper. Boro now sit 2nd in the table having overhauled Preston and QPR. Bristol City are top 2 points ahead. Away to Reading next.
The board and fans are happy.
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Post by Fuzzy on Nov 6, 2009 0:37:23 GMT
It's probably because they are crap, that said Justin Hoyte and Andrew taylor are performing very well for me now that I have their individual stregnths and weaknesses sorted out with teh Individual player sliders. Taylor gets skinned every now and then but that's probably down to his pasce and I sort of remedied that by making him more defensive than attacking. Did you use the advanced button on team and individual tactics as this allows you to set all sorts of options, including deep or high defensive line, tempo, width etc. My backs are decent enough, I tend to blame my own tactics though as I was still trying them out here and there. But yesterday was a breakthrough, somehow I got them working again and we are on a roll with a couple of clean sheets which pleases me. My current tinkering involves one of the MC and FC positions. It's currently setup as such MC (CM/Support);MC (AM/Attack) - FC (Trequartista);FC (Complete - Attack) but the Support and Complete ones are not functioning as well as I like as they are the ones with the lowest rating even when we have a decent 2-0 or 3-0 wins. Prolly will try the Deep Forward thing and change the other to a ball winning /box-to-box. The problem with me is that I am impatient, so i end up using the advance function too much and screws up an already good instruction. I agree that the tactic creator thing is nifty as well as the guides provided so I have an idea the differences between each role instead of guessing.
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Post by Mr Bismarck's Electric Donkey on Nov 6, 2009 1:55:32 GMT
I haven't got any forward to play well with the Complete Forward option. The button could be relabeled "Make this player disappear."
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Post by coffers on Nov 6, 2009 9:31:27 GMT
I haven't messed with the tactic creater yet, I just took teh standard 4-4-2 and fiddled with it until I got a tactic taht generally works for me. I haven't looked deeply into roles and I certainly haven't tried the Trequartista option on an attacker.
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Post by Boony on Nov 6, 2009 9:55:50 GMT
What does Trequartista do?
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Post by Moo on Nov 6, 2009 10:25:26 GMT
I don't know, but each tie you select one of the options, a description appears below. Very nice touch.
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Post by Moo on Nov 6, 2009 10:32:51 GMT
Ashington AFC - Northern League Div 1.
The league is a level 9 league (where Conference Premier is Level 5, Conf North/South is level 6, etc) and features illustrious opponents as Bedlington Terriers, Tow Law Town and Billingham Synthonia. With one auto promotion and one "playoff" place, then it's a toughie to get out of. The teams are much of a muchness to be honest, the tricky bit is that some of the clubs don't lose as much money as the others. Finances are tighter than the offspring of a Yorkshireman and Scots lass.
Anyhoo, we managed to get to the 3rd Q Rd of the FA Cup, beaten by a level 8 side, Whitstable, in a replay. The FA Vase was a horror show as Albion Sports who aren't even a level 10 side beat us at home 2-0. However, in the league we're doing OK, 3rd place with a 4-1-2 6/3 record and whilst it looks like we're boring to watch, we're really not. If you likie misplaced passes and statuesque defending with a side order of woeful finishing. All the teams, as I said, are similar, highest scorers are South Shields with 10 goals in 6 games.
Fun times to be had though, enjoying the ineptitude.
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Post by Boony on Nov 6, 2009 10:35:22 GMT
I thought that, the lower down the pyramid you go, the higher the scores are. Still, sounds like an awesome task you have in front of you. Seriously, how high can you go?
Does FM10 have difficulty settings (ie can you still choose your experience before you start)?
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Post by coffers on Nov 6, 2009 10:58:02 GMT
Yes you can choose experience level before you start.
Regarding the Trequartista, from what I remember of teh description, I think it's basically an attacker who looks to stand in space, and this be unmarked/unnoticed by the opposition.
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Post by Moo on Nov 6, 2009 11:00:21 GMT
Messi...
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