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Post by DC on Jul 26, 2006 8:36:38 GMT
Actually do tend to agree with Teh Hron. Last time we picked prior to pre-season I lost my highest drafted runningback and TE.
Injuries are a bitch, especially when you blow a 3rd round pick on a bloke who never makes it to the field in the regular season as a result.
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Post by hornet on Jul 26, 2006 8:40:15 GMT
The first couple of rounds, probably not - barring injuries, of course. Which you can't really bar, because season-ending injuries are massively more common in Helmetball than in almost any other sport I can think of off the top of my head.
But then, maybe so. Particularly with running backs , because so much of their production is dependant on the line in front of them and it's very, very hard to know in advance who's going to have a decent o-line from year to year given the amount of shuffling that goes on in those positions.
Don't mind me, I'm just having a random moan because someone's got to. It's not really an issue unless you take these things FAR TOO SERIOUSLY, like, uh. Nobody we know.
The "straight" draft is insanity, though. Consider my excuses for lamentable performance this year already made.
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Post by Moo on Jul 26, 2006 9:00:25 GMT
I'm not adversed to the "snake" draft (for the clueless, it's where the draft order is reversed for alternate rounds, so if you are in position #2 of 10 in the draft, you pick #2 in the odd rounds and #9 in the even rounds) to be honest. Maybe when s1ut gets out of bed he can comment on this?
With regards to the start of the draft though, I think there were a couple of people annoyed about having to rush their choices and the earlier we start the less rushed you are going to be. And to be fair, Hornet, you can wait when it's your turn if you think you need to. It's not like there has been a proposed three hour limit on your turn, there is plenty of leeway here.
In hindsight, I thin ks1ut probably should have asked when would be a good time to start this, but i must take my share of blame for this, as I was concerned that we wouldn't get all 13 rounds done within the seven weeks (we discussed it on MSN last week) we had before the start of the season.
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Post by Mr Bismarck's Electric Donkey on Jul 26, 2006 9:00:53 GMT
a) Anyone asking why we start so early either forgot last year, or wasn't here. b) Anyone moaning about injuries should go and see Coffers and then shut the hell up.
Poor lad, still whimpers now.
As for the straight draft being insanity, elth picked seventh last year and went twenty-seven-million-and-oh through the season, routinely destroying everyone.
The straight draft, mixed with consensus picks and the general amount of chatter about players meant that everyone was at least semi-competitive last year. Even Pabs, who's a fucksock and also gave up with three weeks to play managed to win three games.
In a league where everyone knows what they're doing a reversing draft is fine, but with this collection, the straight draft balances things out a bit more in favour of clueless people who can't win, like, errr, DC.
Even picking ninth, you should still be able to come top four in this company. If not, you could always get a job with the Houston Texans.
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Post by DC on Jul 26, 2006 9:03:28 GMT
I' done so well the previous years. Ahman Green, the fat turd burglar, fucked it up.
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Post by Mr Bismarck's Electric Donkey on Jul 26, 2006 9:15:11 GMT
If you don't win it this year DC, we're all going to dance around, skipping and pointing at you and laughing.
Then we'll send you pictures from Baz's phone.
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Post by Moo on Jul 26, 2006 9:23:23 GMT
Stu: ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by DC on Jul 26, 2006 9:26:22 GMT
I won the league once. Or the real™ competition as I see it.
Unless I win the cup.
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Post by Mr Bismarck's Electric Donkey on Jul 26, 2006 9:27:00 GMT
elth?
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Post by Moo on Jul 26, 2006 10:01:20 GMT
Three seasons ago, was it?
Or are you mixing this up with the Skelmersdale U-14s Domino Handicap?
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Post by DC on Jul 26, 2006 10:44:16 GMT
:checkit: season before last. The Peyton Manning "49td+some other blokes" show.
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Post by Mr Bismarck's Electric Donkey on Jul 26, 2006 10:57:18 GMT
Aye, but as people keep finding out, there's a problem with picking Indianapolis Colts players. Because they play six games against Baltimore, Tennessee and Houston they have the divisional title wrapped up by the second Tuesday in september and so come fanny playoff time, Pointing and crew are sitting on the sidelines sipping cocktails.
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Post by Moo on Jul 26, 2006 11:13:13 GMT
Has this thing started yet?
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Post by Mr Bismarck's Electric Donkey on Jul 26, 2006 11:27:56 GMT
We're waiting for Da Cheat.
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Post by DC on Jul 26, 2006 11:42:08 GMT
So we are starting now then are we? Right. I wasn't sure seeing as Horn had his bitching moment.
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Post by Mr Bismarck's Electric Donkey on Jul 26, 2006 11:44:22 GMT
Just give him a Tunnocks and get on with your pick. He'll be fine.
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Post by hornet on Jul 26, 2006 16:03:03 GMT
Mmmmm, Tunnocks.
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Post by elth on Aug 1, 2006 1:20:07 GMT
I'd prefer a snake draft because it's damn hard picking at the bottom in a straight line draft but as I'm generally a fan of handicaps in sport, I don't mind always being at the bottom if that's the penalty for kicking everyone's arse* last year.
It just means I actually have to pay attention and try to get value for my picks. But let's face it, luck is probably more important than skill in fatnasty anyway.
*Except s1ut in the final, natch.
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Post by Moo on Aug 1, 2006 7:34:43 GMT
I wish I could come up with excuses like that. Nice work, Elth!
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Post by hornet on Aug 1, 2006 10:33:53 GMT
I'd prefer a snake draft because it's damn hard picking at the bottom in a straight line draft but as I'm generally a fan of handicaps in sport, I don't mind always being at the bottom if that's the penalty for kicking everyone's arse* last year. It's damn hard picking at the bottom in ANY draft. It's pretty much impossible picking at the bottom in a straight draft in which you're not keeping any players from the previous season. Basically you've purposefully designed a system in which people are only ever going to be properly competitive one year out of two. Okay, there's an amount of fun to be had out of any result you can scrape when the odds are so heavily stacked against you (see also Watford in Divsion One this year), but a system in which at least a third of the people involved and probably closer to half have absolutely no chance whatsoever of winning just seems odd to me. And I really, really don't buy the "aaah, but you know what you're doing so even with the eight people picking in front of you every round you should be deep in the playoffs" argument. If everyone in front were picking randomly, fair enough. But it's dead easy to get half-decent information about who you should be picking - even Yahoo's default player rankings aren't THAT hilarious. Really, you need something that gives a bit more of a handicap than a snake draft, but a bit less than a straight one. I'm trying to work out whether a "keeper" mechanism would split the difference - keep the straight draft, but let everyone carry over two (three?) players from this year to next? Then the guys who're saddled with picking at the ass-end of the draft offset the fact that they're having to pick a less desirable supporting cast by the fact they're building around a more successful core group of players. That make sense / sound like more hassle than it's worth / whatever?
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Post by Mr Bismarck's Electric Donkey on Aug 1, 2006 10:51:23 GMT
A keeper isn't a bad idea, if you keep one or two players, (I think three would be pushing it), and it would speed up the draft too, as we'd have less rounds to pick.
And yes, the current idea does weight things toward the front, obviously, but giving people one comeptitive year out of two, (which isn't a necessarily accurate reading of what's happening, thanks to the injury prone nature of the NFL), is better than giving those with a lesser knowledge of the league no competitive seasons out of two.
I know the short bench isn't exactly loved by all either, but it stops people with more of a clue just hoarding all the cookies - see DC having to release Larry Johnson last year. So it's a couple of decisions designed to try to make sure people who aren't so rabid have a chance too. I'm always open to people saying "stu, you're a fucknut, it doesn't work" and I know none of you are shy.
The straight draft is made to look a bit sillier this year too, by having people who allegedly know what they're doing picking at the front.
This is only the second time we've done the offline draft and I think it worked last year - if it overly penalises people picking at the back, then we'll add something new next year, like two keeper selections.
Let's not forget I'm standing up for a draft system that squarely fucks me in the ass. It's almost as if I like it.
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Post by DC on Aug 1, 2006 11:03:01 GMT
I've been touting a bloody keeper league for yonks.
I'd personally go for 2 players, and your defence coems free if you want it.
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Post by Mr Bismarck's Electric Donkey on Aug 1, 2006 11:07:02 GMT
Yes, yes, you thought of the idea, we all kno... wait, you're not Nark.
It's a good idea, if Horn, elth and I don't end up stamping through from the back and filling out 75% of the finals positions. If we do, then finding a way to make it easier from the back (ooerr) isn't what we need.
If it turns out us tailenders are squabbling over sixth place all year, with no chance at all, then we'll change things.
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Post by Moo on Aug 1, 2006 11:10:45 GMT
I like the keeper idea too, to be honest and as DC said, he's touted it for a while.
I see arguments for the snake and against it, which is very Brookingesque of me, for sure, but what would work best with the keeper?
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Post by Mr Bismarck's Electric Donkey on Aug 1, 2006 11:13:36 GMT
You can't have a snake *and* a keeper - I think if we're going to add keeper positions, then you have to stick with the straight draft. You still get the benefit of being a cocknut who doesn't know what he's doing, but there is at least still KY left at the end of the line.
Yes I'm humping the anal sex analogy to death. From behind.
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