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Post by Narcizo on Jun 30, 2006 8:21:43 GMT
Ah! You can never have too many pictures of Stevie Bull I always say. Well not, perhaps, "always". More like "don't". But Steve Bull anyway. He should have called his book "In a China Shop" though, obviously.
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Post by Moo on Jun 30, 2006 8:22:39 GMT
I like "and we go ovaltine". I can see it now, 20 outfield players waiting tin the centre circle for their chance at the penalties, all sitting in comfy chairs with slippers on, pipe in one hand, mug of ovaltine in the other. A shout from the goalie after he saved a peno, "Why can't I join you lot? Why do I have to stand on the edge of the box?" "Fook off cocoa-boy!" is the collective shout. Ah, happy days. I gather that there was some Girlie progression in there amongst some league games. Great stuff. :thumb: KUTGW!
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Post by Moo on Jun 30, 2006 8:24:15 GMT
I forgot to mention that our beloved Chinese goalkeeper Gung Ho reinjured himself and became a Serbian. The specifics are unclear, but I'd like to learn the trick of injuring a few of our players into becoming Belgians. That'd be the mother of all umbrellas. Spookily, mine came back from injury, became Serbian and was then sold. Maybe there's a link somewhere.
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Post by coffers on Jun 30, 2006 8:42:01 GMT
IGFLITO's all over meej stop, for god's sake stop, you are going to get me the sack or fired even.
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Post by floplexter on Jun 30, 2006 9:34:26 GMT
"tackle like little girls with a serious bone condition" I may run out of Pellows.
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Post by meej on Jun 30, 2006 11:49:19 GMT
I might as well fill the time until the pterodactil wails it's time to go home to sum up some of the impressions I get from the game.
First of all, it is not nearly as slow and lumbering as I feared. Of course, I am playing it on a vastly superior processor to any I played on before, but it's still something like 2800. It's not as if I had one of those new 64 bit jobs or anything. Not cutting edge at all, but the game starts up quickly. Creating the new game was quick, and save/load times are short. Game progression is not nearly as slow as I thought I remembered, international fixtures still suck but that's about it.
The gameplay I am still not used to. The additional features and new options look like a load of bollocks: team talk, press statements, the lot. I feel like calling everybody a cunt and be done with it. You get a warm feeling when you pee yourself, and also when the team comes back after you've done a Knute Rockne on them, but I think it's all in your mind and they'd come back as well without a word. Peeing yourself is often not in your mind, though. I mean, I doubt if anybody else but Moo ever considers it.
The tactical side of things I still don't have much of a grasp of. When things go pineapple, I tend to sub rather than retoole the tactics, I don't have a feeling of what's working and what's not - but I guess that'll come with time.
Remember to check your pants, and drive carefully.
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Post by Mr Bismarck's Electric Donkey on Jun 30, 2006 11:54:54 GMT
Every now and then you'll see a text note that the players have responded to your team talks Meej and it's worth having a look at their halftime morale too. If someone's "okay" or good and is playing average, then I'll hit them with the "Encourage." If someone's "superb" and playing average, I'll hit them with anything I can find to hand until they start crying.
I try to make sure that four is the maximum individual talks at half time, while I usually use only two or three, letting everyone else be covered by the team talk.
One player thus fas has gone as far as to go to the press and report that he didn't like the way I talked to the team at half time and he got a slating in the press and shut up after that.
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Post by coffers on Jun 30, 2006 11:56:55 GMT
Retooling the tactics does work quite well, In fact I find you need to change the sliders a few time in each game, just to throw any in game AI changes off coarse. The half time team talks do get some response too, especially the odd blast of anger.
Press releases can undermine the opposition or goad them, they can sometimes undermine your own team. Have a look at players reactions to press releases, a little PR comes up beside their name, check the oppositions reactions to your releases. I tend to goad teams that ar ehigher u the table than me. Goading small fry sometimes backfires.
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Post by Moo on Jun 30, 2006 12:08:52 GMT
If I'm in a title run in, then I praise the opposition of the fellow contenders, hoping that they play better and defeat the foes. Sometimes it works. Sometimes you get a "Feels his manager shouldn't praise other teams" from the stroppy soon-to-be-listed players.
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Post by Narcizo on Jun 30, 2006 12:19:53 GMT
Do you still have to play attacking at home and defensive counter-attack away or have they made that particular facet of the game less simplistic?
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Post by Mr Bismarck's Electric Donkey on Jun 30, 2006 12:27:46 GMT
I play attacking home and away now Narkle. I use counter attacking if I'm a goal up against a better team, but that's about it.
As Coffers said though, changing sliders mid-match seems to have benefit. I change my individual orders and team tactics several times a game to try sending different players on runs and have others change where they cross from and so on.
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Post by coffers on Jun 30, 2006 12:32:43 GMT
I play counter attack all the time and unless I'm up against a really good team tend to stick to attacking home and away.
Against really good teams I might try Deep Ultra Defensive with counter attack on. It tends to result in us drawng more often than not but you can nick wins against superior opposition doing it. If the good side goes a goal up I tend to throw caution to the wind and go for it.
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Post by meej on Jul 1, 2006 20:06:27 GMT
I've been playing a bit more, and what I really don't like is the huge influence of "random" events. Virtually every game has one game-deciding event that has little to do with your playing style or anything. I just lost to a penalty in minute 96, and the next game I got one player sent off in minute 4, and the match before was the injury just one minute after I made all three substitutions - the game was well in hand by then, but still. There is one game-altering ref call every match (goals called off, penalties, sending offs), plus one or two players half injured and one of them really injured every other match.
I don't really like it, sort of demeans your playing efforts. I don't particularly enjoy the fact that more often than not they're against me, but it's not just that.
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Post by coffers on Jul 1, 2006 20:16:46 GMT
I think it might be something in your training levels or tactics meej, watch out on heavy tackling if your players don't have good tackling skills, they give away more fouls. It's all about getting the sliders right. If goals are called off you players are either stupid or pushing up too much due to the attacking level. Also watch out for heavy training levels in season, you are bound to get an injury crisis on anything higher than top end of medium.
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Post by meej on Jul 1, 2006 21:58:06 GMT
I can live with carding, I've always been heavy on the tackling so it's to be accepted. But I don't like them calling goals off right left and centre, or calling for penalties. Specially goals waved off, we seem to get them every match and that's one that does not go against me consistently; seems to affect both teams equally. I had one game that was something like two of their goals called off plus one of mine, that should be something for the headlines not just common occurrence.
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Post by coffers on Jul 1, 2006 22:14:07 GMT
I've not noticed that many disallowed in my games, I have to admit the callt that do occur tend to be pulled back late though.
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Post by meej on Jul 2, 2006 12:29:40 GMT
Forgot to add that training is not hard, and that virtually all injuries come after hard tackles during matches (which somehow don't merit carding as a rule). I think Gung Ho is the only one who got injured in training, but on the other hand Serbia seems to be quite a little unhealthy place. Are you getting so many viruses as me?
It isn't exactly curbing my style, as no rotation player has been infected so far, but I already have like half a dozen players home with viruses (I always send them home, them being no use anywhere near the pitch anyway). I am beginning to think that maybe players shouldn't drink from the stagnant pool with the sign "dead donkeys dumped here please" that is beside the training ground.
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Post by DC on Jul 2, 2006 21:05:19 GMT
I seem to recall on CM0001 and 0102 they cocked up the illness thing and I'm pretty sure if you ever played an away tie in Romania/Turkey/Bulgaria/Croatia etc or played in one of their leagues you were guarranteed to lose men to flu and food poisoning with alarming regularity.
Fixed in the enhancement packs, back when they were patches.
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Post by Sonic on Jul 3, 2006 5:36:50 GMT
I play attacking and defending, depending on the teams I'm playing. The defending usually is defensive counter. I'm also thinking that 1 forward isn't going to work.
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Post by meej on Jul 3, 2006 16:52:12 GMT
I knew we ort to have boiled the water before soaking our underpants in it. :groan: Anyway, it's 10 matches into it and thus a nice time for a look back in Agnes. I've tinkered with the tictacs a bit, after threatening to take my boat home in a huff at the lack of a proper wibble-wobble thing that I never used anyway. I now have the three midfielders tight together in the central circle, giving each other warmth and comfort as only one Serbian midfielder can give another, and leaving the whole wing for the wingbats to roam. A wingbat is kind of a bat, but with wings. Up front we have our deadly triangle of fatal death. I am now quite into sliding: it's not unsual to see me slide / for wasted time It happens every day / no matter what they say, It's not unusual / to see me cry At goals in extra time...We got banked in by the league leaders at their place. Not a bad loss by all means, we were played off our conkers from minute 1, but losing from a penalty in minute 96 (after the fecking turbot claimed 5 extra minutes) hurt. Then we tonked the table bottomers 5-1 despite getting our left back sent off in minute 3; apparently the ref had second thoughts and promptly waved two of their goals off, then thought he had overcompensated and whistled off one of ours. One of those matches you go "now what?" at every whistle. We got a nice run in the league, something like 3 wins in a row to propel us into 2nd place until we got a draw in our last game... thanks to an own goal in injury time. I can take goals, they surely deserved one as they controlled the whole match, but an own goal in injury time... Sheesh. Feels like playing the unwashed over and over again. To compensate, we were 2-0 down in a tough league match when I did the old blood, tears and mushy peas Choco Crispies Crispianus thing and we came back for the 3-4 comeback away win. Our goalie stopped not one of their 4 shots one, luckily our last line of defense, the ref, came in to kill their last chance of a tie with the occasional whistle. I don't feel so happy with my latest tictac edits, having players running and stuff can't be good. I think I will tell them to stay around and ponce, instead. Oh, and I finally emerged from the qualifying rounds into the cup proper - I drawed some über-team from the super league and, not having the bear trained to shit kryptonite as of yet, I played an all subs side who got promptly tonked: we were trailing 0-2 by minute 3, and as they did not seem like pushing us further down the ref decided to help along and waved off a goal of ours and gave them a penalty for the final 0-3 score.
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Post by coffers on Jul 3, 2006 22:46:31 GMT
Good stuff meej, sliding is definitely the way forward and there are some damned decent average ratings in that screen shot. This league must have infinitely better players than the English Conference North.
KUTSW! :thumb: (Sliding)
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Post by meej on Jul 4, 2006 0:01:35 GMT
Re: Case in point.
Opposition scores off a penalty. I come back and get the 1-2 lead.
I lose one of my players to injury two minutes after my last substitution. I lose a second player to a straight red card. Opposition ties it in injury time off a second penalty. Opposition wins the match 3-2 off a second injury time goal, not a penalty this one.
I think you may be right: I am overreacting at this "random events dictating outcome of games" thing.
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Post by meej on Jul 4, 2006 0:04:49 GMT
Also, forgot to mention that my earlier laudatory comments on processing speed were much too early. I just got to November and it hit all skids. As loading times remain short, I have gotten into the habit of every time I'm around the house I crank it up and hit "continue", so as to progress a couple or days or so before the next actual gaming session.
Something tells me this FM2006 jobby is not exactly going to be a keeper.
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Post by Sonic on Jul 4, 2006 0:26:04 GMT
I find reading books, playing guitar, cooking dinner and watching movies/TV things to do in the mean time to kill the time between games. You should see what it's like after a couple of seasons after 2010 :moop:
Having said that, I do have a fair few leagues loaded.
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Post by meej on Jul 4, 2006 0:44:07 GMT
Stuff: I don't get. I understand I play heavy tackling, but the opposition always ends up with more fouls committed and I have one or more players crooked after every match.
I have had six red cards, for a grand total of zero for the opposition. Sweet.
I just used the game vs Novi Sar as a test. I played it three times, using different combination of sliders: attacking, defensive, ultra defensive, deep defense, pushing up etc. We were called for a penalty in all three matches, every time in the first 15 minutes. All three matches ended in a draw.
Kind of puts my efforts in perspective. "The board are sure they made the right decision in appointing you". Hell, why not: I'm cheap and give them the same as anyone else.
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